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ByhaughFebruary 25th, 2015, 12:56 am
Hawaii

Posts: 56		I realize there are many BWO variations as well as PMD's.

BUT,
In general, if a PMD spinner body is, generally speaking, a rust color, how would you describe the BWO spinner body color?
Thanks
TaxonFebruary 25th, 2015, 10:48 am
Site Editor
Royse City, TX

Posts: 1350		Hi Byron-

how would you describe the BWO spinner body color?


I'd say brown, varying all the way from a light tan to blackish brown.
Best regards,
Roger Rohrbeck
www.FlyfishingEntomology.com
WbranchFebruary 25th, 2015, 11:11 am
York & Starlight PA

Posts: 2733
if a PMD spinner body is, generally speaking, a rust color


I agree that rust is one color of a PMD spinner but on the Western river that I fish we also see spinner bodies almost the same light greenish yellow that we see on the duns and also some that are tan. When I go out for my two week trip I have about eighteen each of rust, greenish yellow, and tan. Because you don't ever know what spinners will be on the water on any given day. Some days it is all rusty from 9:00 to 5:00 other days a mix of the greenish yellow and the tan and no rusty's. The only adult we see emerging is the PMD. There are no other apparent mayflies emerging simultaneously.

Catskill fly fisher for fifty-five years.
MartinlfFebruary 25th, 2015, 11:54 am
Moderator
Palmyra PA

Posts: 3233
I'd say brown, varying all the way from a light tan to blackish brown.


Well done, Roger. I couldn't think of one simple way to answer this, so I waited, and you did it. In the summer one stream I fish gets some size 24 or 26 tan spinners from an "olive" dun that is mustard colored. They fall right after Tricos. Cornuta spinners are often almost black. And there are a lot of bugs in sizes that fall between these.

I haven't fished out west more than once, but Matt's reply will be helpful if I get a chance to go back.
"He spread them a yard and a half. 'And every one that got away is this big.'"

--Fred Chappell
ByhaughFebruary 25th, 2015, 2:01 pm
Hawaii

Posts: 56		The reason I asked, is that I am using some spectrumized dubbing from Caucci's old Deleware River Club.
On the package, the color is called "charcoal" and it is blended to imitate B>W>O. (common name); E. kata (Genus/Species); stage (spinner)

This is the color of the dubbing:


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ByhaughFebruary 25th, 2015, 2:04 pm
Hawaii

Posts: 56		Sorry, E. late.....not kata
TaxonFebruary 25th, 2015, 3:28 pm
Site Editor
Royse City, TX

Posts: 1350		Hi Byron-

Actually, it has been classified as Drunella lata for about 35 years. :-)
Best regards,
Roger Rohrbeck
www.FlyfishingEntomology.com
MartinlfFebruary 25th, 2015, 6:28 pm
Moderator
Palmyra PA

Posts: 3233		Byron, I use the DRC dubbing as well, and like it. Had good luck on Penns Creek one evening with cornuta spinners tied with a black thread body and DRC dark olive thorax. The charcoal should work well for the fly too. The thorax on these flies is especially pronounced. The folks at the DRC still don't use the new classifications, sticking with what matches Caucci's book, Hatches.
"He spread them a yard and a half. 'And every one that got away is this big.'"

--Fred Chappell
CrepuscularFebruary 26th, 2015, 11:59 am
Boiling Springs, PA

Posts: 923
Hi Byron-

Actually, it has been classified as Drunella lata for about 35 years. :-)


:)
ByhaughFebruary 26th, 2015, 2:02 pm
Hawaii

Posts: 56		Crepuscular,
I think I have everything published by Caucci/Nastasi. They are sort of Herod to me. They consistently married a bit of science and scientific approach to fly fishing/tying.

I seem to recall, that in one of their later publications, they clarified the fact that it should have been Drunella. Drc still uses their original identification term, though.
TaxonFebruary 26th, 2015, 3:46 pm
Site Editor
Royse City, TX

Posts: 1350		Byron-

I think I have everything published by Caucci/Nastasi.


In that case, you might find this useful to print and stuff in the back of your copy of Hatches II.
Best regards,
Roger Rohrbeck
www.FlyfishingEntomology.com
ByhaughFebruary 26th, 2015, 4:30 pm
Hawaii

Posts: 56		Thanks,
Is this update something they did or was it done by others?
TaxonFebruary 26th, 2015, 7:03 pm
Site Editor
Royse City, TX

Posts: 1350		Byron-

Is this update something they did or was it done by others?


Authors (like Caucci & Nastasi) write books which refer to mayfly scientific names. Taxonomists often subsequently make taxonomic revisions to those scientific names. Mayfly Central periodically publishes the latest mayfly taxonomy for North America. And, I provide a service to flyfishers by publishing those taxonomic revisions which affect books in my extensive personal flyfishing entomology library, one example of which is Hatches II by Caucci & Nastasi. Hope this adequately answers your question, but if you (or others) have followup questions, I am always pleased to answer them.
Best regards,
Roger Rohrbeck
www.FlyfishingEntomology.com
ByhaughFebruary 26th, 2015, 7:28 pm
Hawaii

Posts: 56		Thanks Taxon. Your response addresses my question.
CrepuscularFebruary 26th, 2015, 9:43 pm
Boiling Springs, PA

Posts: 923
Crepuscular,
I think I have everything published by Caucci/Nastasi. They are sort of Herod to me. They consistently married a bit of science and scientific approach to fly fishing/tying.

I seem to recall, that in one of their later publications, they clarified the fact that it should have been Drunella. Drc still uses their original identification term, though.


OK. I had to laugh because I was typing out basically the same thing as Roger, and before I posted it and he beat me too it. I'm sorry if offended you by smiling at Roger's post.
OldredbarnMarch 2nd, 2015, 3:59 pm
Novi, MI

Posts: 2608
I provide a service to flyfishers by publishing those taxonomic revisions which affect books in my extensive personal flyfishing entomology library


Wir danken Ihnen! :)

Spence
"Even when my best efforts fail it's a satisfying challenge, and that, after all, is the essence of fly fishing." -Chauncy Lively

"Envy not the man who lives beside the river, but the man the river flows through." Joseph T Heywood
TaxonMarch 2nd, 2015, 7:17 pm
Site Editor
Royse City, TX

Posts: 1350		Spence-

Wir danken Ihnen! :)


Nix zu danken. :-)
Best regards,
Roger Rohrbeck
www.FlyfishingEntomology.com

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