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GONZO | April 3rd, 2007, 9:27 am | |
Site Editor "Bear Swamp," PAPosts: 1681 | If I'm seeing things correctly, this appears to be Chimarra. | |
Martinlf | April 4th, 2007, 5:14 am | |
Moderator Palmyra PAPosts: 3233 | Are imitations of this larva effective? Charlie Meck claims they are, and I wonder if the fish actually see them and eat them, or are primarily responding to his little orange worm as an attractor. Any ideas? | |
"He spread them a yard and a half. 'And every one that got away is this big.'" --Fred Chappell | ||
Troutnut | April 4th, 2007, 8:21 am | |
Administrator Bellevue, WAPosts: 2737 | I've never tried. When I've found them, it's usually just two or three larvae in a sample with hundreds of Ephemerella and Baetid mayflies and Hydropsychid caddisflies and other more common critters. It's safe to say they're not a major food source on the streams I've sampled, but perhaps they're locally abundant elsewhere. | |
Jason Neuswanger, Ph.D. Troutnut and salmonid ecologist | ||
GONZO | April 4th, 2007, 9:51 am | |
Site Editor "Bear Swamp," PAPosts: 1681 | Louis, On streams where they are abundant (the Brodheads and the Yellow Breeches are two examples of very different streams with good populations) the imitations are good for both of the reasons you mention. Like the bright green Rhyacophila larvae, they combine imitation and attraction. The best populations are usually in larger waters. | |
Martinlf | April 4th, 2007, 10:42 am | |
Moderator Palmyra PAPosts: 3233 | Pattern suggestions? Dubbing color? | |
"He spread them a yard and a half. 'And every one that got away is this big.'" --Fred Chappell | ||
GONZO | April 4th, 2007, 11:33 am | |
Site Editor "Bear Swamp," PAPosts: 1681 | Pretty simple--a little curved hook, dark yellow to yellowish orange dubbing (rib with fine gold wire, if you like), thread legs or yellow/orange-dyed partridge fibers (optional), brown head. While the larval pattern can be a useful searching fly, my favorite aspect of Chimarra is fishing the emerging pupae. You need to locate an emergence site where the pupae crawl out in large numbers. Sometimes you can do this by looking for concentrations of the recently hatched adults on the underside of leaves and wood low along the edge of the stream. The coolest thing, however, is that if you stand for any length of time in a good site during the emergence time, the freshly hatched adults will soon be all over your waders above the waterline. Then you simply need to tie on a little black pupa and crawl it along the bottom! | |
Mlajoie | March 19th, 2008, 10:46 am | |
Posts: 6 | In response to the original comment: Not that the correct genus of Philopotamid matters when tying/using flies, but you would be able to get an easy ID if you could see a top-view of the head capsule. Chimarra sp. has an obvious emargination at the apex of the frontoclypeus. Dolophilodes and Wormaldia can be identified by the shapes of their frontoclypeal sutures. In the future, take closeups looking down on the head for ID purposes. | |
Troutnut | March 19th, 2008, 11:41 am | |
Administrator Bellevue, WAPosts: 2737 | Thanks, I'll give that a try. | |
Jason Neuswanger, Ph.D. Troutnut and salmonid ecologist | ||
Kroil | March 19th, 2008, 3:52 pm | |
Coastal NJ Posts: 34 | I would say they are a crucial early season protein source in the catskills. I would even bet that they make up a large percentage of the early season invertabrate flow as a trout food. My autopsies have shown this (both pupal and adult stage) and I seem to dupe quite a few early season fish in slow hatch periods with smallish 18/20 black/charcoal patterns. I can't speak to the effectiveness of pupal or emerging patterns,'cuz Dave don't do that kinda fishing. | |
When I found the skull in the woods, the first thing I did was call the police. But then I got curious about it. I picked it up, and started wondering who this person was, and why he had deer horns. - Jack Handey | ||
Martinlf | March 24th, 2008, 4:46 pm | |
Moderator Palmyra PAPosts: 3233 | When there are no rises when Chimarra are active one can find fish taking small peacock and starling wet flies either dead drifted or on the swing. | |
"He spread them a yard and a half. 'And every one that got away is this big.'" --Fred Chappell | ||
Jonsecrist | January 22nd, 2011, 10:48 am | |
northern Virginia Posts: 8 | I have them on my little home stream in va. Red bud run. I found a 16,18 curved hook,or a reversed bend hook. Ornge or sulphur dubing,7x mono for rib,brown or ginger hackle with a little brown biot pulled over for wing case.works great. | |
Scott g2 | ||
Crepuscular | February 20th, 2014, 4:05 pm | |
Boiling Springs, PA Posts: 923 | Does anybody know if this caddis larva has a pupa that is orange-yellow about a size 16. The pupae are dark, almost black. | |
TNEAL | February 20th, 2014, 4:13 pm | |
GRAYLING. MICHIGAN Posts: 278 | ditto to Louis' remark about peacock bodied soft hackle flies.... less than two minutes to tie and very effective... | |
Martinlf | February 20th, 2014, 10:47 pm | |
Moderator Palmyra PAPosts: 3233 | October caddis, for one, but they are big fellows. | |
"He spread them a yard and a half. 'And every one that got away is this big.'" --Fred Chappell | ||
Entoman | February 21st, 2014, 1:31 am | |
Northern CA & ID Posts: 2604 | How are you collecting them? | |
"It's not that I find fishing so important, it's just that I find all other endeavors of Man equally unimportant... And not nearly as much fun!" Robert Traver, Anatomy of a Fisherman | ||
Oldredbarn | February 21st, 2014, 11:45 am | |
Novi, MI Posts: 2608 | the one I am thinking of that I have caught was about a size 16-ish. I have caught them in June. Mack...I'm surprised! "was about a size 16-ish'...Now that's "swinging" with science. :) You know its not a goal until it crosses the line, not almost crosses the line...'ish"...Hmmmm. Yesterday's Gold Medal game in women's hockey was an incredible game. The US girls out played the Canadians all but the last three crucial minutes. One of the better played games I've seen in a long time. The US fore-checked wonderfully and worked the boards like they were playing for the Stanley Cup. Heartbreaking. The Canadians first goal was a mis-cued shot that went off in an odd direction and hit one of our forwards and went in. Today its the mens turn... | |
"Even when my best efforts fail it's a satisfying challenge, and that, after all, is the essence of fly fishing." -Chauncy Lively "Envy not the man who lives beside the river, but the man the river flows through." Joseph T Heywood | ||
Jmd123 | February 21st, 2014, 1:30 pm | |
Oscoda, MI Posts: 2611 | Leave it up to Spence to bring this thread around to hockey...;oD Jonathon | |
No matter how big the one you just caught is, there's always a bigger one out there somewhere... | ||
Entoman | February 21st, 2014, 7:27 pm | |
Northern CA & ID Posts: 2604 | Hey, RU gonna answer my question or gloat about Hockey! :) | |
"It's not that I find fishing so important, it's just that I find all other endeavors of Man equally unimportant... And not nearly as much fun!" Robert Traver, Anatomy of a Fisherman | ||
Entoman | February 21st, 2014, 10:13 pm | |
Northern CA & ID Posts: 2604 | That was a quick edit! In the drift near the surface or knocked from rocks? Yes, I did. Interesting man. I hope you are able to help his family. | |
"It's not that I find fishing so important, it's just that I find all other endeavors of Man equally unimportant... And not nearly as much fun!" Robert Traver, Anatomy of a Fisherman | ||
Taxon | February 22nd, 2014, 2:02 am | |
Site Editor Royse City, TXPosts: 1350 | Please forgive my confusion, but isn't this thread titled Specimen Discussion > Chimarra :-) | |
Best regards, Roger Rohrbeck www.FlyfishingEntomology.com | ||
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Re: Hydropsychid? In Hydropsyche Caddisfly Pupa by GONZO | 14 | May 7, 2009 by LittleJ |
Re: Fall Hatches: September - December In General Discussion by Jesse | 4 | Aug 17, 2012 by Jesse |
Re: Pupa color? In the Caddisfly Genus Chimarra by Frankcoz | 6 | Apr 5, 2012 by Entoman |
Re: caddis pupa In General Discussion by LittleJ | 3 | May 16, 2010 by Creno |
Re: Need help.. In Fly Tying by Nightangler | 1 | Sep 16, 2006 by GONZO |
Re: Live Chimarra pupae In the Identify This! Board by Millcreek | 13 | Oct 2, 2014 by Millcreek |
Re: Chimarra larvae and pupae (10 more) In the Identify This! Board by Millcreek | 8 | Aug 25, 2014 by Millcreek |
Re: Emerger pictures anyone??? In the Caddisfly Genus Chimarra by Hellgie | 7 | Apr 30, 2022 by Martinlf |
Bald Eagle Caddis In Brachycentrus appalachia Caddisfly Adult by Troutboomer | 0 | |
Re: October Caddis In Dicosmoecus gilvipes Caddisfly Adult by Gutcutter | 2 | Sep 8, 2011 by Sayfu |