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Wiflyfisher	June 12th, 2008, 8:47 pm
Wisconsin Posts: 663	Any thoughts as to what this spinner is? My thought is possibly a Siphloplecton specie. I have collected basale before but that has always been early May.
	John S. https://WiFlyFisher.com
GONZO	June 12th, 2008, 9:22 pm
Site Editor "Bear Swamp," PA Posts: 1681	John, I believe Siphloplecton should have staining and anastomosis in the stigmatic region (the area around the leading edge toward the top of the wing). Actually, this looks like it might be a Maccaffertium vicarium spinner. Compare this to some of the male spinners Jason has on the vicarium page and see what you think.
Wiflyfisher	June 12th, 2008, 9:32 pm
Wisconsin Posts: 663	Gonzo, Thanks for thr reply. Although the timing is right for M. vicarium, the color of these spinners is much darker than any Stenonema vicarium spinner I have ever collected and it's abdomen seems to skinny to me. I agree the Siphloplecton should have staining but I couldn't think of anything else that really resemble these guys.
	John S. https://WiFlyFisher.com
GONZO	June 12th, 2008, 9:50 pm
Site Editor "Bear Swamp," PA Posts: 1681	Yeah, it is dark, but consider how the duns vary in color. Check out the 8th and 10th specimens on the vicarium page. They appear to be as dark and skinny as this one (to me).
Taxon	June 12th, 2008, 10:09 pm
Site Editor Royse City, TX Posts: 1350	Did you notice the darker alternate joinings of the cerci, and that the front of the head appears to be white? The body does seem too dark for that species, but how about: Scientific name: Maccaffertium modestum Previously know as: Ecdyonurus ruber, Ecdyonurus rubromaculatus, Epeorus modestus, Heptagenia modesta, Heptagenia rubromaculata, Iron modestus, Stenonema annexum, Stenonema modestum, Stenonema ruber, Stenonema rubromaculatum, Stenonema rubrum, Stenonema varium Common name: Cream Cahill Locality: E, M Nymphal habitat: gravel riffles of medium sized to large streams, where current is swift, but water is shallow (6 inches or less in depth) Voltinism: Emergence (begin) date: early-Jun Emergence (end) date: mid-Aug Emergence time of day: Spinner fall time of day: Nymph (mature) minimum length: 9 mm. Nymph maximum length: 11 mm. Nymph identification keys: posterolateral spines on abdominal segment: (7-9); dark posterior margin on sternites: (no); broad femoral flanging Nymph body description: tergites dark brown, sternites light brownish olive Nymph legs: light and dark banding w/wide dark femoral bands Nymph gills: on segments 1-6, truncate, purplish-gray Nymph tusks: Nymph tails: 3, w/dark bands Dun minimum length: 9 mm. Dun maximum length: 11 mm. Dun identification keys: Dun body description: creamy white w/brown markings on tergites; (former S. rubrum): thorax olive, abdomen patterned w/olive Dun wings: pale gray; (former S. rubrum): creamy-white, faintly tinged w/green Dun legs: creamy-white, faintly tinged w/green Dun tails: 2, pale tan Spinner minimum length: 8 mm. Spinner maximum length: 13 mm. Spinner identification keys: head of male translucent white in front, pale reddish brown above, ocelli prominently ringed w/black Spinner body description: thorax same as abdomen but w/yellow cast, abdomen whitish to cream to orange-yellow to tan; (former S. rubrum): thorax yellowish, abdomen cream Spinner wings: hyaline w/slight mottling and dark reddish venation; large hind wings; (former S. rubrum): hyaline w/amber longitudinal veins and brown cross-veins, stigmatic area of fore wings slightly tinged w/pink Spinner legs: hind tarsi 5-segmented; (former S. modestum): tan banded w/brown markings; (former S. rubrum): femora w/narrow midian and apical bands of dilute purple, tibiae smoky at tip, middle and hind legs nearly white w/femora having very faint median and apical ba Spinner tails: 2, (former S. modestrum): cream to light tan; (former S. rubrum): white to very pale buff, alternate joinings narrowly dark
	Best regards, Roger Rohrbeck www.FlyfishingEntomology.com
GONZO	June 12th, 2008, 10:47 pm
Site Editor "Bear Swamp," PA Posts: 1681	Hi Roger, Doesn't modestum typically have a mostly white or cream abdomen (with some dark markings on the tergites)?
Taxon	June 13th, 2008
Site Editor Royse City, TX Posts: 1350	Gonzo- Yes, that's true. But, does it always? I just don't know. However, I do know that it's the only one in my database with a description of alternate dark joinings, so I thought I'd mention it as a possibility, however remote.
	Best regards, Roger Rohrbeck www.FlyfishingEntomology.com
Wiflyfisher	June 13th, 2008, 5:32 am
Wisconsin Posts: 663	Gonzo, I think you nailed it. I didn't see the second Maccaffertium photo page before. Jason took his photos of the Maccaffertium vicarium spinners on a river in the same area as I got these last night. For some reason I remember Stenonema vicarium spinners as lighter and more color than these. At least I had on the right fly. :) There was a mixture of E. invaria and M. vicarium above the run last night. Quite a sight to see. Everything is late up here this year and the water is really high. BTW, I changed the thread title so people searching won't get the wrong results. Thanks!
	John S. https://WiFlyFisher.com
GONZO	June 13th, 2008, 10:07 am
Site Editor "Bear Swamp," PA Posts: 1681	Lovely water in that last photo, John. With all the rain and flooding in the Midwest, I bet you're counting your blessings that your streams are only "really high." Could be worse, huh? If your spinners are fairly large (~12-16mm), they probably are vicarium. They can be lighter--just that variability thing. The Maccaffertium nymphs in the new photo might be other species, perhaps the one Roger detailed above. Just guessing, but are they smaller (~9-12mm)?
Wiflyfisher	June 13th, 2008, 2:14 pm
Wisconsin Posts: 663	The NW corner has not had all the rain that Central and Southern Wisconsin has had. The rivers are all high but in really good condition. The smaller nymph might be Maccaffertium modestum. The larger reddish nymph I assumed was vicarium. Thanks again Gonzo and Roger.
	John S. https://WiFlyFisher.com

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